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100 Most Recent Comments

  • just wrote:

    You are correct in many ways, but the fact is that there are 535 members of Congress and the 4 anti- Palestinians that you mention are just the tip of the iceberg. You probably know that, I just wanted to make clear that the “marching” needs to be persistent and that people cannot rest until justice is served. BDS will work when the US public is finally educated and have their eyes wide open. How is it that while Americans are suffering mightily under this sick and fully incompetent administration that Israel and the DOD and mega- corporations and billionaires are still getting $$$$$$? How is it that Congress can even contemplate their ‘normal’ month- long vacation while Americans are dying, losing their homes, and go without any healthcare during a pandemic?

    On The Democratic Party’s pyramid of support for Israel is crumbling, August 13, 2020, 9:26 AM
  • eljay wrote:

    || … 4. There is an ethnic group called Ashkenazic Jews. To deny the existence of Ashkenazic Jews as a sociological grouping in the year 1881 would have been considered a laughably ignorant attitude by any sociologist of any standard. Any attempt to study New York City’s social development between 1881 til today and ignoring the Ashkenazic Jews as a sociological unit would be sheer ignorance. … ||

    It’s a good thing I don’t deny the existence of the Ashkenazic Jews.

    || … (it is true that in the modern era, where Ashkenazic Jews have lost their language and are losing their religion … that the evolution of the Jews is of uncertain durability and less precise definition. … ||

    Why is that? Jewish communities exist in their actual homelands all over the world. Are their roots and ethnicities less valuable than those of the Ashkenazic Jews? If ‘no’, then kwitcher whining as Jews will continue to “evolve” just fine. If ‘yes’, please explain why are some Jews more equal than others?

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 13, 2020, 6:41 AM
  • eljay wrote:

    || Yonah Fredman: eljay- I will try to explain why your words sound so obnoxious. … ||

    At least it’s only my words that are obnoxious. Wish I could say the same about you supremacists.

    || … 1. Your emphasis on the element of choice. The primary Jewish experience in the history of the last hundred years was Hitler’s slaughter of the Jews and on that occasion, choice was not possible and so this emphasis on choice is ignoring history in an insensitive and obnoxious manner. … ||

    People have been choosing to be Jewish for dozens of centuries. Hitler – who was in power for less than two decades – unjustly removed the element of choice. I’m surprised that you would use Hitler as a defence, but his evil doesn’t alter the reality that Jewish is a religion-based identity and a choice.

    || … 2. Although it is true that one chooses one’s religion … ||

    How obnoxious of you to emphasize the element of choice, y.f.

    || … but in fact denial of one’s Jewish roots is comparable to light skinned black people who try to pass for white. … ||

    So don’t deny your Jewish roots.

    || … Literature is replete with the negatives regarding such a denial. And to deny this aspect of the identity process of minorities by someone who does not belong to the minority is ignorant and callous. … ||

    It’s a good thing I don’t do that.

    || … 3. Originally (say in the time of Jesus) Judaism was defined as the religion of the Jews. So at that time one would have said, no Jews, no Judaism. … ||

    You appear to be arguing that the identity of Jewish belongs to every person ever born in Judea / Samaria / “Land of Israel”. Shame on you, then, and on all Zionists for denying the innate Jewishness of the Palestinians and preventing them from returning to their “ancient / enternal / ancestral / historic / lost / one true homeland”.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 13, 2020, 6:40 AM
  • Dr.Joji Cherian wrote:

    Go on marching.Next Brad Sherman,Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler and later Chuck Scumer. The tormentors of Palestinians in the Congress. Take them head on. the electorate understand them so far no body dared to challenge them But AOc, Omar, Talib Showed the neocon Zionists what is in store for them.Congratulations to these brave hearts.Take these stooges head on bringing Israeli issue to the forefront.

    On The Democratic Party’s pyramid of support for Israel is crumbling, August 13, 2020, 3:50 AM
  • DonM wrote:

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-army-stops-palestinians-from-slipping-into-israel-after-briefly-turning-blind-eye-1.9067389

    Another propaganda exercise. As usual the supposed “good will” is short lived.

    On ‘NYT’ columnist says Biden won’t be a ‘troublemaker’– when Israel needs to kill Palestinian children, August 12, 2020, 9:30 PM
  • Yonah Fredman wrote:

    eljay- I will try to explain why your words sound so obnoxious. 1. Your emphasis on the element of choice. The primary Jewish experience in the history of the last hundred years was Hitler’s slaughter of the Jews and on that occasion, choice was not possible and so this emphasis on choice is ignoring history in an insensitive and obnoxious manner. 2. Although it is true that one chooses one’s religion, but in fact denial of one’s Jewish roots is comparable to light skinned black people who try to pass for white. Literature is replete with the negatives regarding such a denial. And to deny this aspect of the identity process of minorities by someone who does not belong to the minority is ignorant and callous. 3. Originally (say in the time of Jesus) Judaism was defined as the religion of the Jews. So at that time one would have said, no Jews, no Judaism. 4. There is an ethnic group called Ashkenazic Jews. To deny the existence of Ashkenazic Jews as a sociological grouping in the year 1881 would have been considered a laughably ignorant attitude by any sociologist of any standard. Any attempt to study New York City’s social development between 1881 til today and ignoring the Ashkenazic Jews as a sociological unit would be sheer ignorance. And no one would ever say, but the Jews are a religion they are not an ethnic group, because this is irrelevant to the fact that a study of New York City and its groupings would have to include the Ashkenazic Jews and without it, you’d be laughed away as some ignorant fool.
    (it is true that in the modern era, where Ashkenazic Jews have lost their language and are losing their religion and the Holocaust is now 75 years in the past, that the evolution of the Jews is of uncertain durability and less precise definition. These difficulties of the modern age do not excuse ignorance and obnoxiousness.)

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 12, 2020, 9:02 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || catalan: “No, it’s because the identity of Jewish is based on / derived from the religion of Judaism. No Judaism, no Jewish.”
    Flawed logic. … ||

    Nope, it’s perfectly sound.

    || … From “no liver, no human” it doesn’t follow that human is liver based … ||

    I agree. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the indisputable fact that Jewish is a religion-based identity and Judaism is the religion upon which the identity of Jewish is based.

    || … You are obsessed with the idea that Jews are not a people but a religion. … ||

    As usual, you are obsessed with deliberately lying, deliberate liar. I’ve never stated or suggested that “Jews are a religion”.

    People who choose to be Jewish are free to choose also to be a people, but that doesn’t give them any right to be supremacists, to have a supremacist state or to do “necessary evil” unto others.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 12, 2020, 7:54 PM
  • Jasonius Maximus wrote:

    Unfortunate, yes. But this too shall pass. Biden is old (77), Chucker Schumer is over the hill (69) and Nancy Pelosi is positively ancient (80). The age of the pro-Israel dinosaurs nearly over.

    It doesn’t sound like much, but think of how far we’ve come in barely 4 years Four years ago it was unheard of to the hear Israel and Apartheid in the same sentence in the media or in politics. Now you can hear it come up nearly every single week.

    Barely 2 years ago we had never had a Muslim woman in Congress, we now have two. One of them of Palestinian heritage. Before that, pro-Palestinian rights were never ever mentioned and and Congress members willing to openly criticize or question Israel and its policies could be counted on two or three fingers. That grew to 5 or six two years ago. Two years later and that number looks to be growing yet again by at least three. Bernie has opened the door for more Senators to get onboard and as more of the dinosaurs depart that too will grow.

    Meaningful change has always come from the ground up. Public support of Palestinian rights is broad and picking up momentum each and every day and election cycles, and we are already seeing that change reflected in the House of Representatives. That change will continue through to the Senate and ultimately reach the White House.

    On The Democratic Party’s pyramid of support for Israel is crumbling, August 12, 2020, 6:33 PM
  • catalan wrote:

    “No, it’s because the identity of Jewish is based on / derived from the religion of Judaism. No Judaism, no Jewish.”
    Flawed logic. From “no liver, no human” it doesn’t follow that human is liver based; you are proving one necessary condition, of many. Not that religion is any more a base of Jewishness than Yiddish, or music, or Israel. It’s actually pretty obvious that identities don’t have a “base”. Or something they derive from.
    You are obsessed with the idea that Jews are not a people but a religion. Like Christian, say, or like Buddhists. There is a great Wikipedia article on the Jewish people which explains how they are not like Christians. There is nothing wrong with Christians, Jesus is one of the most wonderful, poetic figures. Personally, I love the Buddha. But Jews are a people. It seems as obvious a fact of history as any.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 12, 2020, 6:05 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || jon s: eljay,
    For your first question: I agree. 
    For your second question: I agree … ||

    I’m surprised and impressed…but also skeptical. I expect that you will disappoint me before too long.

    || … In the last part of your comment, instead of condemning terrorism you engage in whataboutery. … ||

    No, jon s, it’s not “whataboutery” to ask you to lead by example.

    For an excellent example of whataboutery look no further than the Zionism 101 lesson: Murders exist, so it’s OK to rape.

    || … I condemn all acts of terror and all war crimes. … ||

    So do I.

    || … I advocate an end of the occupation … ||

    So do I.

    || … and hope and strive for peace between our two peoples. … ||

    But unlike me you never, ever “hope and strive for” justice, accountability and equality in I-P.

    || … I disagree with your use of the term “colonization of geographical Palestine”. ||

    Of course you do: You’re a Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacist (Zionist).

    On The pandemic’s savage political revelations, from the U.S. to Palestine, August 12, 2020, 5:54 PM
  • jon s wrote:

    eljay,
    For your first question: I agree.
    For your second question: I agree
    In the last part of your comment, instead of condemning terrorism you engage in whataboutery.I condemn all acts of terror and all war crimes. I advocate an end of the occupation and hope and strive for peace between our two peoples. I disagree with your use of the term “colonization of geographical Palestine”.

    On The pandemic’s savage political revelations, from the U.S. to Palestine, August 12, 2020, 5:00 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    Well done, Phil, except for one slight correction. Bowman has said he doesn’t support BDS, though he acknowledges Palestinian suffering. He’s about where Bernie is on the subject. Like Bernie, though, I think he can be convinced, in time, of the value of and need for, BDS to accomplish real change.

    On The Israel lobby has lost its power to sideline critical Dems, August 12, 2020, 4:35 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || jon s: eljay, You seem to be intent on absolving the Hamas authorities of any responsibility for the situation there. … ||

    You seem to be absolving Israeli authorities for the decades-long and on-going occupation and colonization of geographic Palestine and related (war) crimes.

    Anyway, I don’t absolve Hamas. Anyone – including a member of Hamas or of the “Jewish State” – who is accused of committing a (war) crime should be tried and, if found guilty, held accountable for his/her actions.

    Surely you agree? Yes?

    What I do say is that the Palestinians should be given the same opportunities as Israel – including the same unquestioning economic, military, political and financial support – to hold free elections to replace Hamas and the P.A. and then to solicit freely and without obstruction investment in and development of their state.

    Surely you agree? Yes?

    || … And I don’t see any condemnation of the incendiary balloon campaign , causing numerous fires , burning fields, pasture, nature reserves… ||

    You want to see me condemn something, lead by example and condemn Israel’s decades-long and on-going occupation and colonization of geographic Palestine and related past and on-going (war) crimes causing destruction, devastation, misery and death. I promise to follow your lead.

    || … (I know, here’s where resort to your creepy old rape-victim-chained-in-the basement analogy…) ||

    Creepy is your desire for a rape analogy. Put it back in your pants, jon s.

    On The pandemic’s savage political revelations, from the U.S. to Palestine, August 12, 2020, 3:29 PM
  • larick wrote:

    I had the unique displeasure of a long one-on-one with Mr. Rosner a few years ago, while driving him back to his hotel in L.A. I found him to be dogmatic, evasive, mendacious, and unpleasant. He was not used to being challenged on the facts and on his ideological rigidity. I’m so happy knowing that he will not soon forget it, and henceforth take a paid for ride rather than mistake a “fellow Jew” as an automatic ally in racist / fascist attitudes, from which he doesn’t waver.

    On ‘NYT’ columnist says Biden won’t be a ‘troublemaker’– when Israel needs to kill Palestinian children, August 12, 2020, 3:19 PM
  • jon s wrote:

    eljay, You seem to be intent on absolving the Hamas authorities of any responsibility for the situation there. And I don’t see any condemnation of the incendiary balloon campaign , causing numerous fires , burning fields, pasture, nature reserves…(I know, here’s where resort to your creepy old rape-victim-chained-in-the basement analogy…)

    On The pandemic’s savage political revelations, from the U.S. to Palestine, August 12, 2020, 3:05 PM
  • hnashif wrote:

    Let’s not leave out Marie Newman (IL) as a new possible squad member

    On Ilhan Omar beats well-funded challenger in Minnesota primary, August 12, 2020, 2:42 PM
  • Ossinev wrote:

    @jon s. An obvious attempt at Ziostandard sarcasm ?:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin
    As for the Trump connection yes he does “Melanise” his face and the probably rest of his bloated bone spur riddled? anatomy with Yahweh knows what to create that septuagenerian Beach Boy look.
    I wonder if there are reverse melanin products available off the shelf or otherwise? You know the ones that Ziocolonisers would no doubt be tempted to use to Aryanise/Europeanise their features . Ziocolonial scientists may well be working on the issue already. Difficult to find a balance between the long awaited for “return” to their “Ancient Historic” Homeland(triple sob) and having or developing the same dark skinned distinctly non – Aryan features of the subjugated natives.

    On ‘NYT’ columnist says Biden won’t be a ‘troublemaker’– when Israel needs to kill Palestinian children, August 12, 2020, 2:26 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    It has been obvious for some time that an ever increasing number of average Americans, including Jews, are fed up with the “Special Relationship” between “Israel” and the U.S., which apart from the monstrous crimes Zionists have committed against the indigenous Palestinians, is now costing U.S. taxpayers about $15 million per day in aid plus other massive sums.

    More past words of wisdom:
    Asked to sign a petition supporting settlement of Jews in Palestine, Sigmund Freud declined: “I cannot…I do not think that Palestine could ever become a Jewish state….It would have seemed more sensible to me to establish a Jewish homeland on a less historically-burdened land….I can raise no sympathy at all for the misdirected piety which transforms a piece of a Herodian wall into a national relic, thereby offending the feelings of the natives.” (Letter to Dr. Chaim Koffler Keren Ha Yassod, Vienna: 2/26/30)

    In 1939, Albert Einstein wrote: “There could be no greater calamity than a permanent discord between us and the Arab people…. We must strive for a just and lasting compromise with the Arab people…. Let us recall that in former times no people lived in greater friendship with us than the ancestors of these Arabs.” (Einstein and Zionism by Banesh Hoffmann, in General Relativity and Gravitation, eds. G. Shaviv and J. Rosen, Wiley, 1975, p. 242)

    Lessing J. Rosenwald, president of the American Council for Judaism, 1944: “The concept of a racial state – the Hitlerian concept- is repugnant to the civilized world, as witness the fearful global war in which we are involved. . . I urge that we do nothing to set us back on the road to the past. To project at this time the creation of a Jewish state or commonwealth is to launch a singular innovation in world affairs which might well have incalculable consequences.”

    On The Democratic Party’s pyramid of support for Israel is crumbling, August 12, 2020, 1:42 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    Of course, it’s unfortunate that we still have heavily pro Israel lackeys at the top of the Democratic and Republican Party food chains. But, this article does an excellent job of documenting how the tide is, indeed, changing. Had Bernie been allowed to win the nomination, instead of being undermined by the Democratic establishment, we would have been much further along in closing the gap between the Top and the Middle and Base. But, the evolution towards a fair and just foreign policy, not only with regards to Israel/Palestine but in the Middle East and beyond, will continue despite the efforts of the Zionist Neocons still holding sway with Congress and the executive branch.

    On The Democratic Party’s pyramid of support for Israel is crumbling, August 12, 2020, 1:28 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || jon s: What’s with melanin? Isn’t that Trump’s wife? ||

    *Ba dum tsss*

    On ‘NYT’ columnist says Biden won’t be a ‘troublemaker’– when Israel needs to kill Palestinian children, August 12, 2020, 1:14 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || jon s: Annie, My point is Hamas’ priorities. … ||

    Right: It’s time for the world to shift to the Palestinians all of the unquestioning economic, military, political and financial support that Israel currently receives so that the Palestinians can hold free elections to replace Hamas and the P.A., liberate their (Partition-borders) territory, open up their borders and – unhindered by the militarism and machinations of the “Jewish State” – proceed to solicit investment in and development of their country’s health care, education, infrastructure, agriculture, industry and commerce.

    On The pandemic’s savage political revelations, from the U.S. to Palestine, August 12, 2020, 12:50 PM
  • jon s wrote:

    Annie, My point is Hamas’ priorities. They spend millions on rockets and tunnels for attacks on Israeli civilians , money that could be used to improve health care, education, etc. As to the treatment of cancer patients in Israeli hospitals: the PA decided recently to cease all cooperation with Israel, including humanitarian cases, as retaliation for Netanyahu’s annexation plans. The annexation never took place, but the PA is still not handling applications for entrance or transit. I understand that Physicians for Human Rights (an ngo) is now endeavoring to deliver applications. Amira Hass has been writing about this situation.
    see here:
    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-to-close-gaza-border-crossing-kerem-shalom-638168
    and here , for a wider perspective:
    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-with-qatar-cutting-aid-to-gaza-the-next-hamas-israel-conflict-is-about-to-begin-1.9063736

    On The pandemic’s savage political revelations, from the U.S. to Palestine, August 12, 2020, 12:42 PM
  • 2Tuff4U wrote:

    Mr. Rosner’s mother should be ashamed of herself for raising such an evil human being. The NYT should be ashamed for printing such obscene sentiments.

    On ‘NYT’ columnist says Biden won’t be a ‘troublemaker’– when Israel needs to kill Palestinian children, August 12, 2020, 12:25 PM
  • jon s wrote:

    What’s with melanin? Isn’t that Trump’s wife?

    On ‘NYT’ columnist says Biden won’t be a ‘troublemaker’– when Israel needs to kill Palestinian children, August 12, 2020, 11:50 AM
  • Peter Unterweger wrote:

    As a Nation subscriber for many years, I am increasingly disappointed in its journalism. I think at least some of this is due to the new editor in chief, D.D. Guttenplan, who wrote a hit-piece against Jeremy Corbyn in the Nation’s pages some time ago, which repeated the anti-semitism smears the UK ‘s pro-Israel lobby had launched. And I suspect that the hiring of two new reporters Jeet Heer and Elie Mystal, neither of whose journalism is impressive also occurred on his watch. In addition there are holdovers from the prior regime, including Eric Alterman, who has attacked BDS, and Hillary booster, Joan Walsh, who’s most recent effort lauds Kamala Harris and Joe Biden: “The bravery and radicalism of Joe Biden’s choice will become apparent over time.” I’ll vote for Joe, but I won’t hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

    On ‘Nation’ report on Ilhan Omar race has one glaring omission (pro-Israel donors), August 12, 2020, 11:40 AM
  • Vera Gottlieb wrote:

    All the hoopla about “Russiagate” and yet, nothing special when Zionists in America try to manipulate US elections. Shame on all you, Zionists! All of you.

    On ‘Nation’ report on Ilhan Omar race has one glaring omission (pro-Israel donors), August 12, 2020, 10:58 AM
  • LONSCAR wrote:

    Utterly sickening, isn’t it? And truly devastating for the Palestinians. Apparently Harris has zero feeling for Palestinians and prefers the low melanin Ashkenazim. Well in keeping with her views on mass incarceration, jailing poor (usually those of higher melanin count) parents whose offspring were frequently truant (no matter what the reason for the periods of non-attendance at school). (A good piece on this by Riva Enteen in Counterpunch today.)

    On ‘NYT’ columnist says Biden won’t be a ‘troublemaker’– when Israel needs to kill Palestinian children, August 12, 2020, 10:54 AM
  • LONSCAR wrote:

    And now he has K Harris to back him up – and Netanyahu as well.

    On ‘NYT’ columnist says Biden won’t be a ‘troublemaker’– when Israel needs to kill Palestinian children, August 12, 2020, 10:49 AM
  • LONSCAR wrote:

    Yes, indeedy! And may the turning of the tables continue for the Palestinians, for human rights, for an end to ethnic-cleansing, for a right of return for the indigenous Palestinian peoples (the refugees and their descendants) to their homeland: Palestine, known as Israel. And for the zionists to learn to live in Palestine/Israel equally along with, have as friends, work alongside, with the Palestinians. Please.

    On The Israel lobby has lost its power to sideline critical Dems, August 12, 2020, 10:46 AM
  • LONSCAR wrote:

    More power to your elbow, Ilhan!

    On Ilhan Omar beats well-funded challenger in Minnesota primary, August 12, 2020, 10:40 AM
  • just wrote:

    The Guardian did not reference where the Benjamins came from for Melton- Meaux’s run, either:

    “Ilhan Omar sees victory against well-funded Democrat in primaryOmar easily defeated Antone Melton-Meaux in Minnesota: ‘We once again broke turnout records …

    “Tonight, our movement didn’t just win,” Omar tweeted. “We earned a mandate for change. Despite outside efforts to defeat us, we once again broke turnout records. Despite the attacks, our support has only grown.” …

    Omar rejected Melton-Meaux’s attacks, saying they were funded by interests who wanted to get her out of Congress because she’s effective. She also downplayed Melton-Meaux’s prodigious fundraising before the vote, saying, “Organized people will always beat organized money.” ” …

    John Hildebrand, a 47-year-old teacher in Minneapolis who voted for Omar, said her national profile is an advantage.

    “I think just her presence encourages other Muslims and Somalis to run for office and to seek to be represented,” he said. “I think she just engages people in the political system more and more.” “

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/12/ilhan-omar-sees-victory-minnesota-democratic-primary-squad

    We can read it and we know what is buried there … grow some courage, media!

    On ‘Nation’ report on Ilhan Omar race has one glaring omission (pro-Israel donors), August 12, 2020, 9:33 AM
  • MHughes976 wrote:

    And in Harris he appears to have a pro-Israel soulmate. The election will presumably be usual competition in promising Israel everything.

    On ‘NYT’ columnist says Biden won’t be a ‘troublemaker’– when Israel needs to kill Palestinian children, August 12, 2020, 8:10 AM
  • eljay wrote:

    || Ernie: That’s quite right. Jewish racial identity is derived from religious practice. … ||

    Not quite. I said the identity of Jewish – not the “Jewish racial identity” – is based on / derived from the religion of Judaism.

    || … As the Nuremberg Laws put it … ||

    I don’t put stock in conclusions reached by the Nazis.

    And I’m happy to agree to disagree with you. :-)

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 12, 2020, 6:36 AM
  • jon s wrote:

    The plural of “goy” is goyim. That’s an error.
    As to the term itself, in Hebrew it means “nations” as in “nations of the world”. In the Bible God promises Abraham that his descendants will be a great “goy” (=nation).
    That said if people find the term offensive I suppose that it should not be used (even though it’s shorter than “non-Jew”).

    On Seth Rogen, welcome to the journey, August 12, 2020, 1:31 AM
  • just wrote:

    “Rep. Ilhan Omar Wins Congressional Primary”
    https://www.npr.org/2020/08/11/901429697/rep-ilhan-omar-wins-congressional-primary

    Beautiful !!! So much for Melton-Meaux and his immoral support for Occupation and calling Israel a:

    “beacon of liberal democracy.” He keeps his donors even more happy by adding:

    Movements such as Boycott, Divest and Sanction Israel (BDS) only serve to further the conflict, elevate the violence, and harm those they seek to help. That is why I will always oppose BDS.”

    Thanks, James, Thank you Ilhan Omar!

    On ‘Nation’ report on Ilhan Omar race has one glaring omission (pro-Israel donors), August 12, 2020, 12:06 AM
  • echinococcus wrote:

    You got stuck in a wordplay: all it takes is to see that race and racism are unrelated to each other. If racism is group discrimination due to some characteristic at birth (= “birth accident” in technical terms), then obviously it may but is not necessarily (and in real life rarely is) tied to a race (= genetically determined biological differences among groups.) That the words, in English, are derived one from the other does not presuppose that they are so in real life.

    The use of Nazi terminology (which roughly corresponds to the Jewish-Zionist one) to illustrate that point is ridiculous. Historical church groupings do not get that kind of continuing nominal belonging for any other religious group.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 11:54 PM
  • Ernie wrote:

    That’s quite right. Jewish racial identity is derived from religious practice. As the Nuremberg Laws put it, ‘A Jew is an individual who is descended from at least three grandparents who were, racially, full Jews…Full-blooded Jewish grandparents are those who belonged to the Jewish religious community.’

    The point is that it doesn’t matter what markers identify the race in a racist system. What matters is that a group of people is believed to share some characteristics on the basis of purported common ancestry and that individuals suffer discrimination or violence because they are thought to be members of that group.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 10:34 PM
  • just wrote:

    “… Finally, he said that it is also because a growing number of US Jews oppose West Bank settlements and believe that Israel needs “tough love.”

    “By taking on the Israel lobby, Ilhan Omar and Bernie [Sanders] and a few other brave souls have made possible a more honest conversation about Israel. That’s the part that is really good for the Jews — and also very difficult,” Iggers wrote.“That conversation couldn’t be more timely. At a time when many Americans are facing up to painful truths about our country’s history of slavery and genocide, and many Minneapolitans are facing up to our liberal city’s entrenched patterns of structural racism and deep inequalities, Jews are facing a second reckoning — questioning our cherished myths about Israel and coming to grips with its reality of racism and intolerance, the brutality of the occupation, and the profound corruption of its leaders.”

    “Ilhan Omar has condemned the occupation, but she has also called for a just solution that makes it possible for Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace and security,” Iggers said. “Her opponent… doesn’t even mention the occupation or the building of settlements as obstacles to peace.”

    He concluded that, “Some people criticize Ilhan Omar for being divisive. But she is exactly the kind of leader John Lewis had in mind when he said, ‘Never, ever be afraid to make some noise and get in good trouble, necessary trouble.’”

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/jewish-support-for-ilhan-omar-638063#/

    Seth Rogen might want to go ahead and sign…

    On ‘Nation’ report on Ilhan Omar race has one glaring omission (pro-Israel donors), August 11, 2020, 9:58 PM
  • just wrote:

    This was printed today in Jerusalem Post:

    “Jewish support for Ilhan Omar?In an op-ed published on Medium, one Jewish voter says, “she is exactly the kind of leader” the Jewish people need. …
    … Omar is facing off against Antone Melton-Meaux for Minnesota’s fifth district.
     
    However, just a few days before the primary, a surprising op-ed appeared on the blogging platform Medium: a Jewish Omar supporter from her Minnesota district, Jeremy Iggers, not only says he is supporting Omar but explains why he thinks she is good for the Jews. 

    His piece, which is tied to the “We’re Jewish and We Support Ilhan Omar” petition, has garnered a couple of hundred signatures from local residents, “with more people signing on every day,” according to Iggers.
    Iggers explained that the growing rift between the American Jewish community and the State of Israel has brought many Jews to prioritize new notions and values that correspond with those practiced by Omar.  

    “… Jews are facing a second reckoning — questioning our cherished myths about Israel and coming to grips with its reality of racism and intolerance, the brutality of the occupation, and the profound corruption of its leaders,” he wrote. 
    He added that some Jews simply don’t feel like they should grant automatic support to the only Jewish state in the Middle East simply because it calls itself Jewish. 

    Moreover, he said, core Jewish values like social and economic justice and welcoming the refugee have become interchangeable with Omar’s personal story and actions, and seem to be more foreign in Israel’s reality today, at least from the perspective of some American Jews.  …” (continued)

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/jewish-support-for-ilhan-omar-638063#/

    On ‘Nation’ report on Ilhan Omar race has one glaring omission (pro-Israel donors), August 11, 2020, 9:55 PM
  • RoHa wrote:

    Intersecting? I am not a line in a geometric figure.

    But perhaps you could try actually explaining this stuff.

    All I can see right now is an exercise in redefinition of the word “race”.

    The real races are excluded from the new definition, and the only things it can include are “social constructs”. So then it is discovered that race is just a “social construct”.

    Remarkable what modern scholarship comes up with.

    What is the point of this redefinition? Why deny the common meaning of the word?

    As for modern science, is there a scientist who denies that the majority of the people of East Asia belong to a genetic cluster with the features of black hair, almond eyes, high cheekbones, and yellow-tinged skin? If so, s/he needs to get out of the laboratory and go there to see for him/herself.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 9:50 PM
  • justice4all wrote:

    Biden has proven his capacity to take a slap in the face from Netanyahu and not complain.

    On ‘NYT’ columnist says Biden won’t be a ‘troublemaker’– when Israel needs to kill Palestinian children, August 11, 2020, 9:49 PM
  • Jasonius Maximus wrote:

    How could they report on it without pointing out the glaringly obvious fact that pro-Israeli Jewish groups are pouring millions into primary races to defeat members of ‘The Squad’ and representatives who support Palestinian human rights? Even more so in defeating Omar.

    The mainstream media (right, left and center) were at the head of the crowd with buckets of pitch to tar and feather Rep. Omar when she pointed out the worst kept secret in politics. That support for Israel is “all ‘bout the Benjamins“. They jumped on the anti-semitism bandwagon the instant she rightly questioned elected non-Jewish American officials’ loyalty to their oath of office by putting Israel’s interest ahead of their own American constituents and the very Constitution they swore to defend and uphold.

    To report on the millions flowing to the likeS of Melton-Meaux based on one single issue, Israel, would be nothing short of an admission of guilt and years of complicity by the exact same media covering this race.

    On ‘Nation’ report on Ilhan Omar race has one glaring omission (pro-Israel donors), August 11, 2020, 9:18 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || Ernie: … I think it is because of this misunderstanding of the concept of ‘race’ that you fall back on ‘religion-supremacy’. … ||

    No, it’s because the identity of Jewish is based on / derived from the religion of Judaism. No Judaism, no Jewish.

    || … The Law of return defines Jew first and foremost as ‘a person who was born of a Jewish mother’ and only secondarily someone who ‘converted to Judaism’. So clearly it is ancestry rather than religion that is fundamental. … ||

    Per the link you provided:

    4B. For the purposes of this Law, “Jew” means a person who was born of a Jewish mother or [my emphasis] has become converted to Judaism and who is not a member of another religion.”

    There’s no “first and foremost” and “secondarily”, there is one definition with two conditions:

    • – a religious conversion to Judaism (w/ abstention from other religions); or
    • – descent from someone who has undergone a religious conversion to Judaism.

    So clearly it is religion that is fundamental.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 8:04 PM
  • catalan wrote:

    “it has constructed ‘Arabs’ as a race by systematically discriminating against them.” Ernie
    Wonderful post about the problems of Tasmanian aborigines I didn’t know about their housing difficulties. Sounds like they have it tough. A correction though. The Palestinians are not Arabs they are ethnically pure and genetically distinct Jebusites. Their DNA goes back 15 thousand years! That causes Palestinian ladies to be more fertile than average persons and also accounts for the higher musical and intellectual abilities of the Palestinian jebusites.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 7:40 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    “Guarding the border was more important [for Israel] than avoiding killing…”

    “Why so many thousands of Gazans decided to approach that fence, even though they were warned that such acts would be lethal, is beyond comprehension…”

    Spoken like a true fascist!! It is Shmuel Rosner who is “beyond comprehension…”

    Obviously, he is unfamiliar with history. Otherwise, he would realize that “Israel’s” greatest weakness is its utter dependence on the United States, a declining power rapidly approaching bankruptcy.

    On ‘NYT’ columnist says Biden won’t be a ‘troublemaker’– when Israel needs to kill Palestinian children, August 11, 2020, 7:01 PM
  • Ernie wrote:

    @eljay
    Yes, there is more than one form of discrimination. As I wrote the other day in this very thread, ‘When people experience discrimination on the basis that they are believed to share some set of inherited characteristics, I call that racism and the victimised group a ‘race’. It’s the only definitional approach that makes sense to me.’ Later clarifying that that excluded sex. Perhaps I should have been explicit about sexuality and disability, as well, but I guess I thought that went without saying.

    You are certainly right to consider Zionism colonialist and I think you should ponder whether there may be some component of racism in taking over somebody else’s country and exploiting or eradicating or ‘transferring’ its people and appropriating their resources.

    You probably already know my views on law and crime, so I won’t belabour that point.

    You can only write ‘no races are involved’ if you concur with RoHa that races are something other than a social construct and have some basis in ‘biological reality’ as construed by 19th Century bigots. I counsel great caution in adopting such a position for obvious reasons. I think it is because of this misunderstanding of the concept of ‘race’ that you fall back on ‘religion-supremacy’. The Law of return defines Jew first and foremost as ‘a person who was born of a Jewish mother’ and only secondarily someone who ‘converted to Judaism’. So clearly it is ancestry rather than religion that is fundamental.

    Constructing races is what racists do through violence and discrimination, so surely the question of ‘moral authority’ never arises.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 6:55 PM
  • bcg wrote:

    The article mentions the New York Times stories of the killings of Palestinians in 2018 and Rosner’s defense of it (guarding the border!). Well, on the topic of guarding the border this is so weird I originally thought it was put up by a Russian hacker, but it seems to be true:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-of-palestinians-enter-israel-illegally-authorities-turn-blind-eye/

    “Thousands of Palestinians enter Israel, head to beaches; soldiers turn blind eye…
    For a week, West Bank families have been going to Israeli beaches, crossing illegally via holes in border fence, as authorities ignore trend, or even aid entry…”
    https://themedialine.org/by-region/as-soldiers-look-other-way-palestinians-pour-into-israel-to-relax/

    “As Soldiers Look Other Way, Palestinians Pour into Israel to Relax…”

    Apparently the border doesn’t need to be guarded all the time….

    On ‘NYT’ columnist says Biden won’t be a ‘troublemaker’– when Israel needs to kill Palestinian children, August 11, 2020, 6:54 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || Ernie: … @eljay

    … The point is that racism isn’t primarily about attitudes and identities; it’s about discrimination and violence – the attitudes arise to ‘justify’ the discrimination. … ||

    And yet no-one refers to discrimination or violence against women, homosexuals or the mentally or physically challenged as racism even though the attitudes arise to ‘justify’ the discrimination.

    || … The reason we can confidently call Zionism a racist ideology is precisely that it has constructed ‘Arabs’ as a race by systematically discriminating against them. … ||

    I call Zionism a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist ideology because colonialism, (war) crimes (a.k.a. “necessary evil”) and and religion-based supremacism are fundamental to it.

    I don’t call Zionism a racist ideology because no races are involved. Arabs were in the Middle East – and socially dominant in that region – before Zionists came along, and they’ll most likely continue to be there and be socially dominant once Zionists are gone.

    And Zionism has no moral authority to transform Arabs into a race just as the Nazis had no moral authority to transform Jews into a race.

    || … I hope that clarifies matters for you. ||

    Not really, but I appreciate the effort. :-)

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 6:23 PM
  • Ernie wrote:

    How could anyone ever have mistaken the ADL as a ‘progressive’ ally?

    On Open letter to progressives: The ADL is not an ally, August 11, 2020, 5:51 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    Greetings Lonscar

    Yes, Ilan Pappe is now teaching at Britain’s University of Exeter. Prior to leaving “Israel” in 2007, he taught at the University of Haifa.

    On ‘I ask you for your support and solidarity’: Prof. Imad Barghouthi writes from Ofer prison, August 11, 2020, 3:35 PM
  • Ernie wrote:

    @RoHa
    If your view is that 19th Century prejudice and superstition establish ‘biological reality’ and trump modern science, why would I bother intersecting with you?

    @eljay
    Since it is racism that constructs racial categories, and since there is no ‘biological reality’ to tether the concept to, it’s no surprise that they appear arbitrary and inconsistent. It’s not that nobody ever proclaims races – The Nuremberg Laws did exactly that and guess which race they established. The point is that racism isn’t primarily about attitudes and identities; it’s about discrimination and violence – the attitudes arise to ‘justify’ the discrimination. The reason we can confidently call Zionism a racist ideology is precisely that it has constructed ‘Arabs’ as a race by systematically discriminating against them. It dosn’t matter that ‘Arabs’ and ‘Jews’ aren’t consistently distinct in appearance (remember the Shakur case?) – you can usually spot an ‘Arab’ by language/accent and by name. Racists have never been particular about what indicators identify a race. Tasmanian Aborigines, for instance, do not by and large appear different from ‘white’ people, but still suffer discrimination in housing and employment, etc. If you don’t know someone personally, you can always tell they’re a blackfella by their surname or where they live.

    I hope that clarifies matters for you.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 3:15 PM
  • Gryfin wrote:

    Loved the piece but I’d permanently retire the term “goys”. I cringed. Mostly because I’m one of them. I’d also like to think that the editors at Mondoweiss will endeavour to catch those kinds of errors going forward.

    On Seth Rogen, welcome to the journey, August 11, 2020, 3:05 PM
  • echinococcus wrote:

    “… if a progressive magazine missed the pro-Israel connection, how can we expect that mainstream centrist corporate media will report it?”

    North, as a native English speaker and a journalist, you know that “to miss” is unintentional.

    You should also know that concepts like “progressive” or “centrist” being exclusively in the eye of the beholder, the whole point of your article should be an attempt to explain that glaring omission — for example, by indicating what kind of “progress” is that defended by “progressive” The Nation. Lacking which it remains pointless.

    On ‘Nation’ report on Ilhan Omar race has one glaring omission (pro-Israel donors), August 11, 2020, 2:42 PM
  • LONSCAR wrote:

    May Ilhan Omar win!

    On ‘Nation’ report on Ilhan Omar race has one glaring omission (pro-Israel donors), August 11, 2020, 1:47 PM
  • LONSCAR wrote:

    Yep. That would be the natural conclusion, assumption (and is surely – should anyone outside of Mondoweiss pay any bloody attention – as you know, sarcasm aside, what would be the right of any detained, imprisoned person). But this is the Occupier of all Palestine, otherwise known as Israel. THEY can do owt they want to Palestinians….it would seem, it is.

    On ‘I ask you for your support and solidarity’: Prof. Imad Barghouthi writes from Ofer prison, August 11, 2020, 1:40 PM
  • LONSCAR wrote:

    Dear Misterioso,

    Vis a vis Ilan Pappe (whose books and thus discussions, based on much deep research, as befits a historian, are both a painful and necessary read, as I’m sure you know). As far as I am aware he is no longer in “Israel” but has been teaching/ a professor at the University of Exeter (and has been for quite a while, for reasons that will be obvious to thee).

    On ‘I ask you for your support and solidarity’: Prof. Imad Barghouthi writes from Ofer prison, August 11, 2020, 1:37 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    Liberal Zionists are just kinder, gentler oppressors!

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 11, 2020, 1:24 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    — and, of course, no one likes to be lied to, especially by parents during one’s formative years!

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 11, 2020, 1:23 PM
  • Annie Robbins wrote:

    don’t you mean it would be great if they could jon? they are living under a blockade. israel doesn’t even allow them to treat cancer patients. people die waiting for permission to enter israel to get treatment, all the time. i’ve toured the cancer wing of a hospital in gaza, all the equipment is there, set up, but israel doesn’t allow them to import essential drugs or radiation (i don’t understand medicine but it was explained to me).

    a very good friend of mine, and contributor to this site, her mother died (young) last week for this very reason.

    so stop with pretending Israel would allow Palestinians essential tools to heal themselves.

    On The pandemic’s savage political revelations, from the U.S. to Palestine, August 11, 2020, 12:56 PM
  • Annie Robbins wrote:

    reminds me of a tweet i just read https://theintercept.com/2020/08/07/ice-coronavirus-testing-detainees-mesa-verde/?utm_campaign=theintercept&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

    ICE officials feared that broad testing would reveal positive Covid-19 cases which the facility was not equipped to handle, so they preferred to avoid testing altogether, emails show.

    On The pandemic’s savage political revelations, from the U.S. to Palestine, August 11, 2020, 12:41 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || jon s: Yesterday and today- more fires caused by incendiary baloons launched by Gaza terrorists. … ||

    balloons

    || … In retaliation Israel closed the Kerem Shalom crossing … ||

    Israel terrorists

    || … and has also bombed Hamas and Islamic Jihad positions. … ||

    have also bombed (“Israel terrorists” is plural)

    || … I hope this doesn’t escalate. ||

    Ditto.

    On The pandemic’s savage political revelations, from the U.S. to Palestine, August 11, 2020, 12:40 PM
  • Annie Robbins wrote:

    my pleasure Ernie!

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 12:36 PM
  • Annie Robbins wrote:

    Which proclamation is correct and who gets to make that determination?

    They can both be correct (identity created by socially dominant groups, to establish meaning in a social context, are not mutually exclusive). an example of “people often self-identify as members of a race for political reasons”. furthermore:

    Social conceptions and groupings of races have varied over time, often involving folk taxonomies that define essential types of individuals based on perceived traits.[3] Today, scientists consider such biological essentialism obsolete,[4] and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits.[5][6][7][8][9]

    so yes, i’d call it arbitrary and inconsistent.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 12:35 PM
  • pabelmont wrote:

    When we speak of justice, we imagine a court above and accepted (more or less) by the parties in conflict. But of course, in criminal law, the “acceptance” of the court by the accused is often assumed rather than real, what lawyers sometimes call “constructive” acceptance (i.e., constructed as a legal fiction by the more powerful party). Or acceptance by the accused is deemed not important by the prosecution. Who cares if the accused accepts the court, anyway?

    As to I/P, Jewish_Israelis and their distant pals (mostly in Anglophone countries it seems) don’t accept the UN as a “court” to resolve I/P according to international law.

    And the UN for its part doesn’t seem to have the oomph to overcome opposition to justice by USA, by Israel itself, and perhaps by others. Until the UN finds that oomph (or the USA changes course), there will be no justice.

    Read “The Count of Monte Cristo”. It is fun to imagine that the falsely imprisoned can escape and exact revenge against his horrible, disgusting, powerful, socially well placed enemies; but it is fiction.

    Our job is to work on manufacturing that “oomph” or on turning the USA around.

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 11, 2020, 11:09 AM
  • pabelmont wrote:

    Some folks say: Jews and Palestinians cannot mix *AND* Palestinians cannot be allowed a state of their own side-by-side with predominantly-Jewish-Israel within the Mandatory Palestine of 1947.

    How worrisome for those folks unless those same folks accept Jewish-Israeli manufactured apartheid or Jewish-Israeli manufactured total genocide of Palestinians or Jewish-Israeli manufactured total expulsion of Palestinians.

    Do those folks ever say what *IS* acceptable to them, or only what is *NOT* ??

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 11, 2020, 10:53 AM
  • eljay wrote:

    || Annie Robbins: … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)

    … Modern scholarship views racial categories as socially constructed, that is, race is not intrinsic to human beings but rather an identity created, often by socially dominant groups, to establish meaning in a social context. …

    This seems rather arbitrary and inconsistent. E.g.:

    • – Jewish Israelis are socially dominant in Israel, so they could proclaim themselves a race.
    • – Arabs and Muslims are socially dominant in the Middle East, so they could they could proclaim that Jews not a race.

    Which proclamation is correct and who gets to make that determination? If it’s two group (Arabs and Muslims) vs. one (Jewish Israelis), does the majority win?

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 7:55 AM
  • jon s wrote:

    Yesterday and today- more fires caused by incendiary baloons launched by Gaza terrorists. The fires have burned agricultural land and nature reserves. In retaliation Israel closed the Kerem Shalom crossing, except for fuel and humanitarian supplies and has also bombed Hamas and Islamic Jihad positions. I hope this doesn’t escalate.

    On The pandemic’s savage political revelations, from the U.S. to Palestine, August 11, 2020, 4:45 AM
  • RoHa wrote:

    Although still used in general contexts,”

    Exactly. The normal meaning of the term.

    Modern scholarship views racial categories as socially constructed”

    But modern scholarship does not change reality. And just causes confusion by using a common term in a different way.

    “race is not intrinsic to human beings but rather an identity created, often by socially dominant groups,”

    But the biological reality of skin colour, eye shape, etc. is intrinsic.

    “Different cultures define different racial groups”

    That doesn’t change the reality.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 1:20 AM
  • echinococcus wrote:

    Nothing is more characteristic of a sales pitch for the Emperor’s New Clothes than an appeal to fashion.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 12:58 AM
  • Ernie wrote:

    Thanks for saving me the trouble of posting that link, Annie!

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 11, 2020, 12:38 AM
  • DonM wrote:

    I consider the influence of our ambassador to Israel to be much more noxious when it comes to Israel and the Palestinians.

    A nice summary of David Friedman’s actions as ambassador is here: https://peacenow.org/entry.php?id=29557#.XzIFHS0iefA

    As Trump’s bankruptcy lawyer, he is untouchable for our egotist-in-chief values his image as a great businessman above all. Friedman both before and after his appointment sees his role as “protecting” Israel and furthering its ambitions toward the Occupied Territories.

    On Trump’s quarrel with mega-donor Sheldon Adelson could be good news for Mideast peace, August 10, 2020, 11:12 PM
  • Annie Robbins wrote:

    Korzib, given your conclusion, that it appears to you Israelis are the victims of structural racism since the covid numbers are higher for them, one can only assume you don’t think testing has any value in determining the spread of the virus.

    Palestinians in Israel and the territories have had less access to testing and information due to their second-class citizenship and the conditions of occupation.

    On The pandemic’s savage political revelations, from the U.S. to Palestine, August 10, 2020, 10:50 PM
  • RoHa wrote:

    They are not social constructs. They are obvious biological realities.

    They may not have any analytical value (whatever that means) but the fact is that the majority of people in Europe have light skin, the majority of people in sub-Saharan Africa have dark skin, and so forth.

    And that is the normal meaning of “race”.

    I cannot understand why you want to pretend either

    (a) that the biological reality is not objectively real
    or
    (b) that “race” means something other than this.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 10, 2020, 10:27 PM
  • Annie Robbins wrote:

    your age is showing RoHa! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)

    Since the second half of the 20th century, the association of race with the discredited theories of scientific racism has contributed to race becoming increasingly seen as a largely pseudoscientific system of classification. Although still used in general contexts, race has often been replaced by less ambiguous and loaded terms: populations, people(s), ethnic groups, or communities, depending on context.[20][21]
    Defining race
    Modern scholarship views racial categories as socially constructed, that is, race is not intrinsic to human beings but rather an identity created, often by socially dominant groups, to establish meaning in a social context. Different cultures define different racial groups, often focused on the largest groups of social relevance, and these definitions can change over time.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 10, 2020, 10:24 PM
  • Waterbuoy wrote:

    Sitting in a car in the Cowichan Valley reading your letter, I found tears in my eyes.
    Respect…huge respect

    On Seth Rogen, welcome to the journey, August 10, 2020, 9:18 PM
  • Ernie wrote:

    You probably could have got away with that kind of definition a century ago. Now that we understand that the ‘races’ you speak of are social constructs, not biological categories of any analytical value, you might need to update your views.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 10, 2020, 8:52 PM
  • RoHa wrote:

    In the normal concept, Jews in general do not seem to be a race. European Jews look very similar to most other white Europeans. Arab Jews look like other Arabs. Indian Jews look like other Indians. Chinese Jews look like other Chinese. Jews seem to be a multi-race group.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 10, 2020, 8:30 PM
  • RoHa wrote:

    I’m using the normal, everyday, concept of race. A group of humans distinguished by common inherited features, especially those which determine their skin colour and other aspects of their physical appearance. Thus, we have the white race of Europe, the black race of sub-Saharan Africa, the yellow race of East Asia, the red race of the Americas, etc. .

    Neither discrimination nor people’s beliefs are part of this concept. I see no value in using an idiosyncratic definition which turns on elements which are not part of the standard concept.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 10, 2020, 8:29 PM
  • JLewisDickerson wrote:

    FROM THE PETITION:
    On Thursday, July 16th 2020, Professor Barghouthi, an astrophysicist at the university of Al-Quds [1] in East Jerusalem was detained [2] by Israeli military forces at a military checkpoint outside of Anata while he was travelling from the university campus to his home in Ramallah. He is now being kept in an Israeli detention facility, prohibited from contact with his dear wife and children. No charges have been brought against him and he faces the potential threat of administrative detention. Administrative detention [3], is an illegal measure used arbitrarily by the Israeli military forces to detain Palestinians without any charges or trials. . .

    WIKIPEDIA – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_of_Israel#Administrative_detention

    On ‘I ask you for your support and solidarity’: Prof. Imad Barghouthi writes from Ofer prison, August 10, 2020, 7:33 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    “This is Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East.”
    Of course, I know you are being facetious.

    At best, Israel is an ethnocracy, i.e., “a type of political structure in which the state apparatus is controlled by a dominant ethnic group to further its interests, power and resources”

    Ilan Pappe, professor of political science at Haifa University: “[Israel’s] political system [is]
    exclusionary, a pro forma democracy – going through the motions of democratic rule but essentially being akin to apartheid or Herenvolk (‘master race’) democracy.”

    Adi Ophir, philosophy professor at Tel Aviv University: “…the adoption of the political forms of an ethnocentric and racist nation-state in general, are turning Israel into the most dangerous place in the world for the humanity and morality of the Jewish community, for the continuity of Jewish cultures and perhaps for Jewish existence itself.”

    Baruch Kimmerling, Professor of Sociology, Hebrew University, Jerusalem: “The laws of Israel have become the laws of a master people and the morality that of lords of the land.” 

    On ‘I ask you for your support and solidarity’: Prof. Imad Barghouthi writes from Ofer prison, August 10, 2020, 6:55 PM
  • korzib wrote:

    The article seems to suggest that structural racism/inequity is responsible for the disproportionate numbers of people of color that suffer from covid. Given Jon S’s numbers then it would appear that Israelis are the victims of structural racism since the covid numbers are higher for them.

    On The pandemic’s savage political revelations, from the U.S. to Palestine, August 10, 2020, 6:45 PM
  • korzib wrote:

    I don’t know anyone in Israel that doesn’t know that Arabic and Hebrew are related languages. Other than that I have no clue what recognition and celebration you would expect. The Arabs have their culture and language and literature. We, Hebrew speaking Jews, have ours. We are part of Israel. The ‘region’ is a wasteland of failure and despair. There is little to celebrate and literary Arabic is a useless language which is why wealthy Arabs in the Gulf and elsewhere prefer that their children become fluent in English or French. Spoken Arabic is pretty useless too for Israeli Jews because Israeli Arabs speak excellent Hebrew on average.

    All this is why I applaud the effort made by these translators to translate works from Arabic into Hebrew. It is such a pointless pursuit politically but perhaps some interesting literature will be translated as a result of it.

    On ‘Shared Sovereignty’: How a group of translators is trying to reshape the conversation in Israel-Palestine, August 10, 2020, 6:35 PM
  • Annie Robbins wrote:

    israel supporters don’t like using the word occupation, they don’t recognize what’s going on as an occupation. the word altogether insults them. this has been going on for years.

    On Report: Biden personally intervened to get the word ‘occupation’ removed from the Democratic Party platform, August 10, 2020, 6:08 PM
  • Annie Robbins wrote:

    i don’t understand what’s liberal about them. what’s liberal about the israel policy forum?

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 10, 2020, 6:03 PM
  • bcg wrote:

    What has he been charged with? I mean, they can’t arrest him without charging him with something, right? This is Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East.

    On ‘I ask you for your support and solidarity’: Prof. Imad Barghouthi writes from Ofer prison, August 10, 2020, 5:52 PM
  • Oldprof wrote:

    A clever ploy is at play here. The Israel fanatics are using the word annexation as a foil for the word occupation. In other words they are using the word annexation but not the word occupation (discussion banned by the DNC). This is designed to make us accept their distorted reality that occuation is normal but annexation is not. They will speak out against annexation but not against occupation. They want occupation to be accepted and normalized until it is so widespread that it is actually just like annexation. So in the meantime they are willing to join you in condemning annexation but will not say a negative word about occupation. Annexation is the new occupation. The old accupation is innocuous. I am sure this was at the back of their minds when they got the committee to remove occupation from the platform. I read that Shapiro and Sherman were responsible for this removal of occupation from the platform.

    On Report: Biden personally intervened to get the word ‘occupation’ removed from the Democratic Party platform, August 10, 2020, 4:46 PM
  • just wrote:

    “One revealing element of the response is, When push comes to shove, liberal Zionists and conservative Zionists make similar arguments. They all talk about the need for “separation” of Palestinians and Jews.”

    Oh, joyful moment!!! I always have believed that (with all honesty) that “liberal Zionists” is an oxymoron. It really and truly is and this was good to read~ finally.

    The only ‘solution’ is to realize that it is way, way past time for the Occupation to end, the Israeli violence to end, the supremacy to end for Jewish Israelis and Zionists, and to stop calling lands by Biblical names (Judea and Samaria~ ho, ho, ho!) and claiming ownership of same. Palestinians deserve a long and hearty apology, human rights, justice, freedom, health care, a living wage, equality, peace and security, clean water, and a decent home in which to live. Same thing that Israel has demanded and taken/stolen for nigh on a century.

    As Americans and the marginalized in the US are suffering from evictions, Covid- 19, stupid politicians, no healthcare, no unemployment benefits, etc. ad nauseam~ how can they justify the money to and for Israel and the DOD and for the 1%??? More education of the US masses is required.

    Thank you Philip, Scott, Terry and Mondoweiss.

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 10, 2020, 4:39 PM
  • Kay24 wrote:

    Now that Weiss is gone, maybe Stephens thinks protecting, and justifying Israel’s crimes, is all up to a brave (IDF) soldier like him.

    On U.S. Jewish life is ‘fragile’ –Bret Stephens peddles delusions to battle Beinart, August 10, 2020, 4:19 PM
  • jon s wrote:

    Shaul Arieli is one of the greatest experts on the 2 state solution:
    https://www.shaularieli.com/en/about-shaul-arieli/
    https://www.pij.org/articles/1897/there-is-no-other-solution
    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-end-of-the-two-states-solution-is-just-a-myth-1.8162293

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 10, 2020, 4:00 PM
  • jon s wrote:

    It’s good to know that Ms.Weir is not an Anti-Semite, though she does collaborate with them.
    Richard Silverstein is now promoting “Israel-did-it” without a shred of proof. . Reminds me of 9/11 conspiracies.
    Here’s some info on the ammonium nitrate that exploded :
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/world/middleeast/beirut-explosion-ship.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

    And Hizbullah has a “well documented history of bombing civilians…”

    On Trump’s quarrel with mega-donor Sheldon Adelson could be good news for Mideast peace, August 10, 2020, 3:45 PM
  • edwardm wrote:

    Oh boy! the Iran Contra douchebag is baa-aack. So much for swamp draining. Look who Rump is willing to dredge up. May he die in the sun

    On New Iran envoy Elliott Abrams raises the risk that Israel will provoke Trump into conflict with Teheran, August 10, 2020, 3:37 PM
  • Oldprof wrote:

    “Peter Beinart doesn’t realize that the Israeli-Palestinian divide is too wide to bridge,” Arieli writes.

    I can assure you that as Beinart well understands, in Northern Ireland where we had a situation very similar to Israel/Palestine and which had existed for much longer, we were able to completely solve the problem. The people who do not want to solve this problem in Israel/Palestine are simply not rational, which is amply proven by their absent logic. We had plenty of these irrational people on both sides in Ireland – we won most of them over to sanity and civilization. 

    I have always suspected JStreet of being a Trojan horse or maybe a stalking horse – I see JStreet as such a horse designed by AIPAC that positioned itself to open its doors and receive the so-called liberal Zionists who were rejecting AIPAC at the time. These innocents flocked to JStreet and were made comfortable in the horse where their attitudes were cajoled to reject BDS and create AIPAC lite. In other words the false intention was to make them think they were joining a liberal organization? However, the intention was to keep them as close to AIPAC as possible. It is another example of how people often populate the opposition and control it for their own purposes. Some liberal Zionists were coralled and controlled by JStreet whereby they disavowed BDS but were allowed some liberal beliefs as long as they towed the line for the most part. The liberal Zionists were mostly quite conservative, as Beinart’s “volt face” has revealed, so JStreet was not too far to the left as to be ignored.  It is actually not a bad situation, and JStreet may in fact slowly morph into an organization more like Jewish Voice for Peace. Let’s hope so. But I would not be too hopeful a

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 10, 2020, 3:07 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    Billionaires like Adelson didn’t get obscenely rich by throwing their money away on losers like Trump, which is in all likelihood what The Donald will be come November. It may be no more complicated that this.

    On Trump’s quarrel with mega-donor Sheldon Adelson could be good news for Mideast peace, August 10, 2020, 2:48 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    Alison’s post is from a well respected Jewish professor, Richard Silverstein, who is known to have inside sources in Israel and has studied the issue very closely for over 50 years. And Israel has a well documented history of bombing civilians, including in Lebanon, among its many ongoing war crimes. Even you should be willing to acknowledge that simple fact.

    Finally, I and my Jewish wife know Alison very well. We can attest that she is NOT an anti-Semite! Not even JVP, with its sharp differences with Alison in the past, has accused her of that.

    On Trump’s quarrel with mega-donor Sheldon Adelson could be good news for Mideast peace, August 10, 2020, 2:08 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    Excellent comment. Well and truly stated!!

    BTW, everytime the Zionist occupation is referred to in one way or another by its devotees as the “return to Judea and Samaria, areas where the forefathers and foremothers lived, the heart of the Jewish people,” I am reminded of the following:

    “The Racist Gene” Haaretz, June 21, 2017: EXCERPT: “In 2013, the results were published of a study by the prominent British geneticist Martin Richards, who specializes in researching the maternal genome, which passes from the mother to all of her descendants. Richards researched the maternal genetic ancestry of Ashkenazi Jews. And lo and behold, he discovered that 80 percent or more (!) of the maternal genetic makeup of Ashkenazi Jews derives from European women – goys, heaven forbid. Gevalt! Devoid of any gene originating in the Land of Israel.”

    http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full
    Front. Genet., 21 June 2017 | https://doi.org/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087
    “The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish”
    “Recent genetic samples from bones found in Palestine dating to the Epipaleolithic (20000-10500 BCE) showed remarkable resemblance to modern day Palestinians.”

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 10, 2020, 1:17 PM
  • Kay24 wrote:

    Adelson will suck it up and make nice with Crooked Don, after all his work to help Israel grab it all, is not completed yet. Gamblers are keeping his flow of those millions of dollars coming in, so he has nothing to lose.

    On Trump’s quarrel with mega-donor Sheldon Adelson could be good news for Mideast peace, August 10, 2020, 12:58 PM
  • bcg wrote:

    Of course Israel’s education system has a lot to do with the acceptance of segregation in Israeli society:

    https://www.972mag.com/israel-education-textbooks-occupation/

    The Six-Day War, its consequences, and the internal Israeli discussion on the occupation that has followed, are all somewhat present in high school textbooks. Yet Israeli students learn that the reality of occupation — holding millions of Palestinians under perpetual military rule — is neither out of the ordinary nor especially deserving of students’ attention. They are taught that this is something Israelis can live with….In the textbook “Crises and Resurrection” Vol. 3, the occupied territories are referred to as “areas” that had been “liberated,” while the occupation is referred to as a “return to Judea and Samaria, areas where the forefathers and foremothers lived, the heart of the Jewish people.”

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 10, 2020, 12:49 PM
  • LONSCAR wrote:

    And that absorption certainly has not hindered German economic growth over the years… But as you are aware, no doubt, just another racist-Orientalist excuse tied tightly to the zionist fear that – Woha – they might actually have to readmit those Palestinians (or their descendants) they violently expelled, whose lands they brutally and criminally grabbed…can’t have that, now can we?

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 10, 2020, 12:38 PM
  • brent wrote:

    Liberal and Zionists tend to view integration as less desirable than separation. No doubt Jewish psychology plays into this. I wonder how much that perspective is influenced by how they perceive Palestinian objectives and motivations?

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 10, 2020, 12:36 PM
  • LONSCAR wrote:

    I would only add – so long as they or some that are kindred do our dirty work for us: plough our fields, spread the muck, milk the cows, clean out the cowsheds and chicken houses….Beneath us. We don’t grubby our hands, mein gott, no.

    On ‘Segregation’ — liberal Zionists wield ugly ideas to combat Beinart, August 10, 2020, 12:33 PM

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